The right of reply

Enough is enough. People who proclaim to fight for freedom of expression and free media but censors other's legitimate reply based on their whims and fancy, must realise that on the internet, they cannot suppress peoples' legitimate right to reply and express contrarian views. This blog welcomes all views. ~ Ellese

Only Muslims can do wrong


If a vegan complains that their widely used product is misrepresented and complains with other vegan associations about the product, do we say that it’s wrong and stupid for them to complain because there are other serious crimes like murder elsewhere?

No, right? Similarly to a Jew who complains of a misrepresented kosher meat. You cannot say to the Jew why are you complaining since there are so many Jews who commit worse heinous crime like murder rape and torture in other parts of the world. It’s an absurd argument isn’t it?

Now this style of “comparison argument” always happen whenever Muslims complain about an issue. But this seldom happen to any other groups. So a Muslim has no valid claim on a misrepresentation of halal food unless he or she condemns every other crimes ke? This is a false logic. In fact this kind of argument is racist and bigoted. It is made with a malicious intent to belittle a valid claim by Muslims. We should tell them off that they are racists and bigots.

Ps: I have no issue if one wants to condemn certain NGOs that posit an extreme position of “changing their blood”. But it is wrong to belittle and deny Muslims in general of their right to complain about haram food (which they themselves directly eat) until the Muslims complain about all other serious crimes. This is ridiculous.

PS: this issue may be moot now in view of MOH’s clarification, but the statements criticizing Muslims sensitivities are still coming in. It’s just too many of late that needs to be replied.


4 thoughts on “Only Muslims can do wrong

  1. I’m a practising Muslim as I was born a Muslim but perhaps not as pious as an Ulamak and not as learned & knowledgeable too. However, I do sincerely believe that Islam is flexible and reasonable as it has always been, but ONLY some of the so-called Muslim extremists have been making it appear problematic & impractical and rigid to the extent that most non-Muslims are not attracted to Islam.
    I’ve been wondering……. Some Muslims must have occasions sometimes in their lives to have to live nearby pig-stays & piggeries or pig slaughter houses. Surely the pig DNA molecules must be found thickly inhabiting the atmospheric environment of those surrounding areas. Nobody has come up asking whether the air there was Halal to be breathed by good Muslims. In my days as a kampong boy, I had experienced this personally myself whereby we had a foul-smelling nearby pig slaughter house on the river bank. But none of the folks of my neighbourhood paid much attention to it – after sometime, everyone got used to it like being in a cave full of bat manure. We had a local mosque with religious people among our villagers but none made any complaints about it. Of course, those who live nearby a beer distillery would have a cheap thrill of going high with alcohol molecules in the free air and yet the air is still Halal too to be breathed, I’m sure. It will be categorized as “Umum al-Balwa”. Tapai (sweet fermented rice) with faint traces of alcohol present in it, is very nice too, especially if consumed with a scoop of choice ice-cream. Not many Muslims have shunned away from savouring this alcoholic but traditional Malay delicacy even now when the modern Jahiliah era has gone by. Again, consider the Currency Notes that are in general circulation now; surely there are traces of pig DNAs attached to some of them as they have been handled by some Apeks & Taukeh Babi as well. There are many other examples. This is, unfortunately, one of the reasons for the “nons” to find good excuses to laugh at us. I just wonder what should be the solution.

    • I think those which take extreme position we can say we disagree with them. But on the Cadbury issue, it is one of misrepresentation. It’s a valid claim to demand things you buy to meet the specification they represent. If they claim halal, it’s their responsibility to ensure it is when we buy it. The industry standards are exacting requiring minute description now. If it says there’s no such ingredient they are culpable as such. Say I have a medical problem on certain ingredient. I check the product, there’s none and I buy it. Later on I had a problem and found out there is an ingredient which they say there’s none. I can sue them. They cannot argue it’s contaminated along the way under the principle umum al bawa. It’s their duty. Similarly here. We buy things and we want to know its halal. Cadbury has to ensure that it is til the point of buying and unwrapping. It’s a valid claim in my view which everyone else in the world does this.

      So after I buy I left it in the open and gets contaminated by porcine dna, then it’s not Cadbury fault. But until the sell shelf and period I unwrap the chocolate that’s Cadbury’s responsibility. So if one lives in the area you mention, one has done as best as he can. He can’t control the air. So after unwrapping the Cadbury a porcine DNA flew into the chocolate then the concept of umum al bawa should be applied. He can eat it. There’s no dosa on him.

      • Ellese, in the Cadbury’s case, I agreed with you fully that the Company has responsibility to ensure the purity of its product as claimed. It’s just like some foodstuff companies claiming their products to be free of peanut DNAs to the extent of claiming that even their manufacturing equipment used in the production of those foodstuff are free of peanut traces. This is to cater for those very few who are allergic to peanut products whereby even minute traces can be detrimental to their health.
        Fully accepting the rationalized & reasoned tolerances, under ” Umum al-Balwa”, fairly allowed by Islam to NOT make the lives of Muslims unnecessarily difficult, I also agree with you that “extremist positioning and interpretations” should be discarded, rationally criticized with counter-arguments by the general Muslim public and seriously discouraged by all Islamic Authorities. This does not mean taking the other extreme position of absolutely disallowing differences of opinions even on matters that do not go against the basic principles of Islam. Rational differences of opinions, indeed, have actually nurtured the healthy growth of Islam in keeping up with the times and that also explains the existence of Mazhabs in Islam. What we all have responsibility to prevent, is the slide towards “TALIBANISM” which will be a threat to non-Muslims as well as the majority of good Muslims too. A few NGO’s are showing these negative signs of that slide towards the undesirable “TALIBANISM”.
        I’m glad I successfully managed to get the positive feedback from you as a result of my first posting, made necessary only because you made the poser in this blog of yours. That posting was not meant for you, or to show disagreement to your poser in this thread. But that posting was just a message to emphasize that ISLAM IS SIMPLE, FLEXIBLE, REASONABLE & RATIONAL, NOT RIGID and it does not pose any problems to its followers. However be aware of the EXTREMISTS among us – they are misled, anti-establishment and destructive to society.

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