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How a typical DAP racist apologist justifies Kit Siang’s racism

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By now you would have read the last few exchange of comments between me and JW Tan. This is a typical manner how people call others racist but put all sort of excuses to justify their own racist stand. In other words they practice selective racism. For the past six years, I wish to put on record that none of the DAP supporters have been able to justify their racist stand. All practice selective racism. If it doesn’t involve their race its downright racist. If it involves theirs, there’s a justifiable reason to practice racism. These are all dishonest crap.

These people will always argue its racist if one does not put Malaysian first. Thus mere utterance of calling yourself a “Malay Malaysian” is racist. A call to ask Malay to unite is racist. Any call for the support of Malay rights is racist. So long you don’t put Malaysian first, its racist. There’s no exception or excuse. Nil. No historical, legal, ethnic, self interest or other arguments can justify not putting Malaysian first. Its racism according to this group of people.

This is the similar mindset of JW Tan. He like all DAP supporters I’ve encountered took a moral high ground condemning others as racist. The way how they argued has always been the same. When I specifically ask: Do you agree that not putting Malaysian first is racist? He answered in no clear unambiguous term: Yes.

I then ask him:

“Do you agree that advocates and supporters of segregation of our youngs by race do not put Malaysian interest first?”

He answered in clear uncategorical term “yes”. (Prior to this we had many debates on vernacular schools. He knew that my children are deprived of non Malay friends as a result of vernacular school. It is a fact that we have a fragmented education system segregating our children by race. The British introduced the vernacular schools to separate all the races to augment their divide and rule policy ).

Then I ask:

“If not putting Malaysian first is racist, [would that not make] any advocate or supporter of segregation of our youngs by race also a RACIST since its not putting Malaysian first. ”

I ask countless of times. He pretended initially he has answered it. He then said he answered it earlier giving specific time of comments. But that was for the second question above. My last question came after that.

He knew that he was caught. He had avoided to answer but now forced to answer. He had no choice then but to do like many racist DAP apologist did in the past: provide excuses and exceptions to racism.

This is what he says:

“You have to look at people’s reasons for doing so. Some of their reasons are good ones – e.g. vernacular schools teach better, they teach useful languages, they often provide the best or only available education in some poor communities, etc. Why is aspiring to give one’s children the very best set of skills one can not putting Malaysia first? In fact it’s one of the most patriotic things one can do.”

He is saying we can put self interest first before Malaysian first and dare call this patriotic. This is the sickening nauseating part of this whole debate. Justifying racism based on self interest. Highly hypocritical. In the first place all this people say there’s no excuse of not putting Malaysian first. Its racism. Dah lupa pangkal hujah ke?

This is the typical argument I go through with this people. In fact all their justifications are bias selective chauvinistic and downright racist.

Others including JW Tan himself have given many other excuses. The main one is the vernacular school is a mother tounge education right. But they know its selective racism and hypocritical. Because what they mean and refer to is only their mother tounge. They care not about other ethnic’s mother tounge. They have and will not fight for more than 40/50 types of sekolah Jenis kebangsaan to cater to other more than 40 ethnic groups we have in Malaysia. They know if we have so many types of schools to cater for other ethnic’s mother tounge it would further fragment our education and society. Thus not putting Malaysian first. So what they mean of mother tounge education is their own mother tounge. Again is this not selective, chauvinistic and downright racist?

Whatever argument they put its selective and falls flat into their definition of racism. These are the arguments and propaganda perpetuated by DAP. Top most of this racist propagandist is Lim Kit Siang. This is dishonest, hypocritical, selective and downright racist.

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93 thoughts on “How a typical DAP racist apologist justifies Kit Siang’s racism

  1. Ellese, that is a good summary of the case which is now beyond any reasonable doubt. Imagine if we have more than 40 “mother-tounge” type of education systems in Malaysia. It would be very “dis-unifying” for our soceity.

    Bravo to you for not giving up in the very “boring” & long arguments filled with diversionary tactics and excuses which you never allowed to pass muster without being challenged. Your legal background perhaps helps in cornering your slimy opponent with clever cross-exdamination technique. I must admit though that I got bored following the circuitory arguments and I told you so at one point – but your summary is fantastic. Thanks.

    • hussin,

      Fantastic? Ellese missed out about Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA.

      hussin, what you have to say about it?

      • Condemn racism and apologise being a racist wave.

        • Ellese,

          Then explain your stand on

          Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

          You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

          • Dear racist bigot wave,

            For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

            Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

            I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

            So be warn.

  2. Ellese the hypocrite, the blind partisan supporter of UMNO with a siege mentality.

    You have not answer any of the questions regarding Sekolah Agama and Kolej Mara.

    Please state your case, in at least 500 words for us to read.

    Hypocrite!

    • Huh, you still read my blog after reading and replying to my comments elsewhere? What can I say. Didn’t know you’re a follower.

      Unfortunately I’m not as dumb like you or as you want me to be. Once you admit you and your like are racist or that you and your like are wrong to indiscriminately call me and others racist, I will consider rewriting it.

      Ps: Anyway, I don’t understand you. I’ve written about the school position since dr rafick lagi. Why so forgetful? My write here is to prove racism. JW the goon then asked me to justify why he is racist and I use the vernacular school argument to debunk his hypocritical stand. If you want me to write about our school system, it must be what school system we must have and I’ve written many2 times already. So now admit first you’re racist.

  3. I not bother to read your comment on other people’s blog because it is out of topic and you gate crash to talk about things that suit you, not according to the blog host.

    I have told you many times before and I have reminded you many times before to talk on the topic concern and do not divert, as usual keras kepala orang susah, takde budi bahasa.

    I have also encourage you to post this topic of vernacular school in your blog, many times also. Tapi orang yang ada siege mentallity tak nak cakap pasal vernacular school. Tapi make degrading topic such as

    “How a typical DAP racist apologist justifies Kit Siang’s racism”.

    to cover part of vernacular school.

    You have not answer any of the questions regarding Sekolah Agama and Kolej Mara.

    Please state your case, in at least 500 words for us to read.

    You are a hypocrite!

    Don’t act sombong, you do not have this topic at all in your blog, only good at gate crashing other people’s blog.

    Cakap saja lebih. Hypocrite!

  4. 😀 Obviously, the point at which your entire argument breaks down is where you assume that it is impossible to put self-interest first and still be able to act in Malaysia’s interests. If you really believed this you would sell all your assets and give the proceeds to the state. But you don’t. Because that would be stupid.

    Also, you have selectively quoted me. I then went on to say that I agree that vernacular schools create racist outcomes. But condemning the concept and the people who send their children to such schools without understanding their reasons would be wrong. I suspect you did not dare to quote it because it’s clear that I do not at all think the way you’ve caricatured it.

    Then, you ignored comments I’ve made on other sites about what I like about vernacular education. But never mind. Let me make it clear on your blog: when I say vernacular education I mean all vernacular languages that parents might wish their children to learn. My personal interest is of course Mandarin, but the reasons why parents send their kids to learn Tamil in vernacular schools are similar. And I have no problem with kids wanting to learn more obscure, less commonly spoken languages. The system should accommodate such requests. You cite concerns about teachers, timetabling, etc – I say you are simply spouting irrelevant items to obscure the discussion about the principle. If enough students want to learn, a teacher can be found, time can be made. In fact, so many kids want to learn Mandarin in Malaysia that many vernacular Chinese schools are oversubscribed and full.

    Finally, you make more allegations about DAP, and Lim Kit Siang in particular. Evidence, please. I am ever more convinced that you throw accusations around dishonestly, then run away like a coward when asked to substantiate them.

    • You think people are dumb. You just admitted that if one doesn’t put Malaysian interest first it is so bad that it tantamounts to racism. You admitted those who support vernacular school do not put Malaysian first. Whatever personal reasons of however justified given by supporters of vernacular school will never put Malaysian first. Surely its racism by your own definition. Why are you supporting racism?

      Ps. By the way I can even give evidence by third party, dap and even by lks. Its widely available. Just that you’re so lazy to google/read. Anyway I’m not going to be conned by you. You’re so dishonest and tak tahu Malu being a racist, that I’m not going to stoop so low to entertain your deceitful argument. Its for all to see already.

      Ill be referring to you as racist from here onwards until you stop being racist and chauvinistic.

      • Ellese the hypocrite,

        You think people are dumb.

        You have not answer any of the questions regarding Sekolah Agama and Kolej Mara.
        Please state your case, in at least 500 words for us to read.

        • Dear wave the hypocritical liar,

          You said you don’t read and follow what I write. Why in the world would I want to follow your suggestion.

          However I may consider this if you condemn racism and then condemn yourself and JW tan for supporting racism. Don’t practice selective racism.

          • Jawab lah….

            Sekolah Agama and Kolej Mara.
            Please state your case, in at least 500 words for us to read.

            Tak berani, Ellese the Hypocrite!

          • Kahkahkah. Condemn racism and defenders of racism first. Go bertaubat regretting your past racists statements and actions and profess you will not do it.

            I’m not entertaining racist and defenders of racism.

            If you show remorse I will consider answering.

        • Aiya Wave, let me answer your question for you.

          No good Malay parents would want to send their kids to Sek Agama and/or Mara lah.

          What for? As parents we want the best for our children. And those two are far from the best.

          Why sweat over something that of beneficial to your children?

          Chill, brother, chill 🙂

    • JW,

      You said: “In fact, so many kids want to learn Mandarin in Malaysia that many vernacular Chinese schools are oversubscribed and full.”

      Perhaps, the Chinese. No argument there.

      It’s because of China becoming a power house, no doubt. But what they fail to realize is that the Mandarin taught there are unrecognizable with the peeps in China and Taiwan. I spent the last two years in Beijing and the locals always make fun of Malaysia’s Mandarin.

      Also, majority of those who go to Chinese schools tend to be inadequate in English proficiency, which is still the major language of global commerce.

      And worst of all, majority of them don’t know how to speak the national language. What kind of a Malaysian are they? Here we have DAP shouting ‘Malaysia First’ and yet, majority of them don’t speak the Malaysian official and national language. See the hypocrisy?

      Do you know how many MP’s – from both sides – are pathetic with the national language? I’m no ultra-Malay – heck! I’m not even a Malay – but not wanting to learn the official language is just a sorry state of affairs.

      But it’s only the Malaysian Chinese who are like that. Chinese all over the world have assimilated to their adopted countries – they speak the national language in all the countries they have settled in. Why can’t they then do the same with Bahasa?

      Will it make them Melayu if they do? No.

      But you know what would they be when they do? They become bonafide Malaysians.

      Then baru lah mau jerit Malaysian First.

      • “I spent the last two years in Beijing and the locals always make fun of Malaysia’s Mandarin.”

        most chinese msian except the younger generation dun speak mandarin at home. fact is more than 50% chinese (ethnic) dun speak mandarin or std chinese.

      • Yes, I know the Chinese in China make fun of Malaysian Mandarin, and Singaporean Mandarin. That’s fine. Because at least I can understand the joke. This is my point though – why do we want to keep ourselves so stupid that we don’t acknowledge that it is a useful language to learn? Why do we even need to use it to want to learn it? someone gave the example of a Quebecois needing subtitles to understand French. Most Quebecois get by in Paris, better than most. And most French get by in Quebec. That is all that is necessary.

        How sure are you that majority of DAP ‘don’t’ speak Bahasa Melayu? DAP has a lot of Chinese and English educated professionals. They may not be able to give you a literary analysis of Hikayat Hang Tuah but they can carry out a conversation. Good enough. I have less knowledge of what it is like in East Malaysia, but many Chinese ed people in West Malaysia are bilingual. it’s not ALL, but most.

        Language chauvinism gets you nowhere in today’s world, much less chauvinism in Bahasa Malaysia. The Indonesians look down on our Bahasa Malaysia, much as the Chinese do on our Malaysian Chinese accent. I don’t care. You shouldn’t either.

        Ever heard the South African national anthem? It’s sung in 5 languages – Zulu, Xhosa, Sesotho, Afrikaans and English. It’s beautiful. These are a people who’ve been through apartheid and come out the other side. We’re still in the apartheid stage. I would like to sing Negaraku in Mandarin and Tamil as well as Bahasa Melayu. At the moment all we have is Namewee’s bastardised version which is funny, but not really useful to express my patriotism.

        • You’re justifying racism. Suddenly being together as Malaysians is excused because you want to learn Chinese language. Then what if other ethnic wanting to learn about their mother tounge language?

          Racist chauvinistic to the core.

          • Ellese,

            Then explain your stand on

            Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

            You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

          • Dear racist bigot wave,

            For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

            Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

            I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

            So be warn.

        • JW,

          I thing you didn’t get what I was trying to say.

          If you want to teach a language, teach it on its purest form. The reason why Mainlanders don’t understand our Mandarin has nothing to do with accent, really; it’s more of the way they’re structured.

          My point is, if you want to fight for your right to teach and learn your language, do it properly, not some half-baked way.

          As far as languages are concerned, you’re barking at the wrong tree, dude. I am all for learning languages. FYI, I speak 7 languages, so that reasoning doesn’t affect me. My children are all multi-lingual – English, BM, Mandarin and Arabic (must) and they vary on their last chosen language; my eldest learned french, the two younger ones learned Spanish.

          None of my kids went to a sek agama or cina to learn to speak and write Arabic and Mandarin. And I can guarantee that they speak better Mandarin than their Malaysian counterparts who went to a sek cina.

          As to your question with regards to DAP peeps; I am definitely sure. FYI, DAP is not only those Christian Talibans who rule the party. The bulk of the members of the party are those who Malaysians have never heard before.

          I campaigned with them in both 2008 and 2013. I know FOR A FACT that the overwhelming majority can’t even structure a proper BM sentence.

          Which brings me back to the whole language proficiency. I don’t know about you, but to me, proficiency means being able to structure your thoughts and relay them in that particular language, and relay them with proper grammar.

          Getting by, as you put it, is not proficiency to me. And this is where my beef with the vernacubengs lie – if you want to teach, teach to achieve proficiency and not merely to get by.

          Feel me?

          PS

          I noticed you like to cite South Africa as an example. I’ll reply on the other post.

          • Well, I have a very different experience from you. Most DAP members I know (and I am not one), are capable of expressing themselves in Malay.

            I disagree that ‘getting by’ is not enough, or that you have to do it in proper grammar. Grammar, and language usage, is two way. If the people you are speaking to understand you, and vice versa, then the objective is achieved. Sometimes this requires you to use proper grammar, sometimes not.

          • Why are you not using JW Tan? Please only use one name.

      • To me, the difference between Chinese Mandarin and Malaysian Mandarin is the same as the difference between Received Pronunciation and Scouse. Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard do not speak like the Queen. People laugh at Scouse. But it is still English, just as Malaysian Mandarin is still Mandarin. You can be snooty and say it’s not pure Mandarin, that’s just stupid.

        The French say ‘bon weekend’ on Fridays in the office. Weekend is an English word, and the French language academy has fits about this sort of thing. But guess what – people say it anyway. As long as you know what it means (and 99% of French people will) WHO CARES?

          • Ellese,

            Then explain your stand on

            Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

            You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

          • Dear racist bigot wave,

            For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

            Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

            I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

            So be warn.

        • JW,

          This is a very flawed argument.

          I suggest you study the history of the UK before you say such things.

          It’s a different setting altogether. The composition of the English is not like that of Malaysians.

          It’s not just accent and pronunciations, it’s the whole structuring of the language.

          • It has nothing to do with history and everything to do with the way people use language.

            Be specific please, generalities are useless. What, exactly, in English or British history, makes Scouse less English than RP? My own son speaks in a Birmingham accent, it’s recognisably English to everyone who’s ever met him. In the same way he has a hybrid Mandarin accent that sometimes mainland Chinese think is Korean, but that has never prevented him from being understood. Discrimination based on accents is the province of idiots and bigots.

            Your children speak Spanish. I assume you mean Castilian. Do they speak in a Madrileno accent? If so, they will be laughed at in South America, or at least pegged as a target for fun. Same if they speak South American Spanish, people in Spain look down on it. I tried to get rid of the Madrileno lisp when speaking Castilian in South America before realising that I could never replicate the local slang, and I just sounded even sillier to them. So I spoke Spanish the way I learnt it – lisps, emphases and all. It was fine. They understood me, I understood them. That’s all that matters.

  5. This is the reason why I send my kids to International Schools.

    With all due respect to either school – vernacular and kebangsaan – nothing great comes out of it. I don’t want my kids to be vernacubengs, neither do I want my kids to grow up thinking that as Bumis, we are more entitled than the rest, whether it’s true or not.

    Most non-Chinese I know send their kids to Chinese schools to learn Mandarin and ‘be better at Maths’ or some lame excuses as such. My wife didn’t go to no Chinese school and yet, she speaks better Mandarin than majority of those vernacubengs, and her Mandarin is easily understood when in China and/or Taipei.

    In the end, really, there is no end to this debate. Most of you know I am a staunch Pakatan supporter but I’m not going to follow blindly, like most. God gave me the brain and ability to think, so I’m using it.

    I’m generally for Pakatan’s stance on corruption and what not. But let’s all be real when it comes to racism and bigotry. Both sides practice them. DAP is as racist as UMNO, while DAP/PAS is as bigot as UMNO. PKR, on the other hand, is as corrupt as UMNO, at least majority of the main leaders are.

    This is a never-ending saga. As much I don’t like UMNO, I’ll gravitate towards them with the Christian Talibans – who rule DAP – start their quest to claim Malaysia for Jesus, one city at a time.

    I’m not a Malay, or a Malaysia or a Bumi first; I am a Muslim first and foremost, and I’d rather use my time on earth to make good of myself and my loved ones and earn enough blessings with the hope of going to Heaven.

    Malaysians are all racists, somewhat, somehow. The sooner you all recognize that, the better it is for all.

    PS

    To the DAP supporters, I know your leadership more than y’all. I know what they’re thinking and what they’re planning. It’s really pointless to debate with people who refused to believe – despite the blatant and conspicuous truth – that the party they love so much is as racist and as bigot as the party you swore to fight.

    And believe you me, whatever they say and want you to believe when there are no Malays/Muslims present, the fact remains – the Chinese will never have the political power in the country, NEVER. Not by proxy like Perak in the past, or NS which did not materialize.

    ‘s all.

    • I am Malaysian. I am a Malay and I am a Muslim.

    • in ns, dap supporters talk merit, strategy, suitability, regrettably, unfortunate, in selangor they scream quota, quota, quota, 15 fair , 14 unfair 15 fair 14 unfair ……bla bla bla.

      • HY,

        Anthony Loke is a smart guy, I like him. But he made the mistake of approaching Tuanku’s son and promised him the MB post should Pakatan win.

        LGE didn’t like that he went doing this without consulting him. Also, the royals didn’t like the idea that the son of the sitting Yam Tuan was secretly engaging a party whom they believe to be republicans, and worst, whom they believe to be anti-Malays.

        That was what happened in NS.

        As for Selangor, there are just too many selfish politicians around, especially within DAP and PKR.

        I foresee many other problems ahead and it’s sad and disappointing.

        • Sabahan18,

          That is part and parcel of politics, I seldom want to go too deep into it. It leads to nowhere. The world was celebrating when an African American was elected as the President of United States. Was there any major changes? Slight change perhaps, but it is the same old United States of America.

          The only way to solve it, is with the balance of power between BN and the opposition.
          We have been calling it a two party system, with that the equilibrium in place, things will level out.

          There are such heavy rejection of reaching that equilibrium from the host of this blog. The host only nag nag, complaint complaint, whine whine and never offered a solution. I like Dr.Raffick, he comes with a solution and a suggestion to debate on.

          The host of this blog is only good at suppressing the weak from becoming equal.

          • Wave,

            I agree with you; the deeper you go into politics, the more you realize that there’s actually nothing there, that the two parties want the same things – power and adulation.

            And I like the two-party system and what it brings; what I don’t like which most people don’t seem to realize is that, even if the scales are tipped, i.e. BN becoming opposition, the same thing would till happen.

            Trust me when I say this, but everyone has their own agendas. PKR wants to shame the UMNO peeps – they even want mass jailing of UMNO peeps – while DAP wants to ensure Christianity – more than Chinese rights – would be elevated to such prominence that it would be recognized as a religion of the federation, just like Islam.

            In the end, I got tired of it, really. They are all the same and while my heart is still with Pakatan, my brain has become impartial.

          • You know my view that all politicians are the same and that the only way for them to change is for us to alter the incentives and disincentives of politics.

            I thought of developing these further. Do you share the same view and would you like to develop this? Thought of at least articulating it and put the ideas out. There’s too much rubbish politics.

          • Dear Sabahan18,

            Quote: “And I like the two-party system and what it brings; what I don’t like which most people don’t seem to realize is that, even if the scales are tipped, i.e. BN becoming opposition, the same thing would till happen.”

            I have to disagree in practical process. This is what RPK has been trying to hammer down into our skull. He writes a lot to discredit PKR, PAS and DAP, a year before the 13th GE. I know RPK intention is good and just, it is just the wrong timing for doing so.

            I would say, it is RPK stupidity by doing so by choosing the wrong time to do it. In this aspect RPK has a bird and a fish brain on it. Well, perhaps 20 years or 30 years down the road when RPK is long gone together with all those old folks of hardcore UMNO supporters in the kamoung, then I would say RPK is genius but by then he will not be around to say “I told you so”. Hard luck, RPK.

            FIRST THING FIRST

            We still have to make people to be political aware. After the 13th GE, Malaysia is divided between the rural and the urban. It is not a surprise but now it is in black and white. Would I say, the educated and the uneducated politically. Until, people does not fear, favour or obligated to UMNO, then we can talk about RPK’s philosophy but not before that.

            BN must lose power for once at all cost. Yeah, please do not put words in my mouth when I say at all cost, there is a limit and only through ballot box. Get it, those assholes out there and the blog host. If BN do not lose power for once, a two party system is only a dream. We can only talk about it but failed to act on it.

            Before the 12th GE, UMNO will bulldoze everything in the Parliament. UMNO will bulldoze policies to the Rakyat whether we like it or not. That was the regime era for 22 years of dictatorship. After 12th GE, UMNO realised by hook or crook, they have to be in absolute power if they want to continue to be filthy rich. Najib went around like a Santa Claus and tried very hard to woo the chinese and even willing to drop his pants for it. Well, I am please that the chinese (reads urban) are politically educated not to fall into the UMNO trap. Only the rural folks are trapped into it.

            We, not do not have balance of power to talk about RPK’s philosophy. Until Pakatan Rakyat is in Putrajaya that is when the Rakyat is the KING, not the Agong or the Sultans. The rakyat become king, it is not because of Pakatan Rakyat blessing. Pakatan Rakyat is our pawn in the political battle. It is because BN and PR will work like dogs to win our votes, what the Rakyat says and what the Rakyat demands would be diligently look into. Haven’t you notice, what a good fella PM was before the 13th GE and after 13th GE, PM spread venom onto the Rakyat.

            As for now, we are still slaves to UMNO. Thanks to RPK.

          • It’s people like you who have and will destroy our nation. We fight for a cause and not people. Right and wrong do not depend on who does it. Same act must have the same value regardless of who does it. And the means are as important as the ends.

            This simple common folk decent values, you have never been able to grasp.

          • wave, take my word, rpk is for cheap sale, just a matter who is willing to pay. come on, if pr won he would become as cheap as petaling street imitation watch. see his write about anwar a republican? spin king ingat semua bodoh, tak malu tulis benda benda yg putar belit, itu british memang orang jahat banyak dosa jual opium, cucu cicik sama dosa jual jiwa, 50 pence satu kilo.

    • Very depressing. You are wrong – well, you are right, in general terms, but wrong in specifics. I might be the only Malaysian on the planet who is not racist, but I refuse to believe that we cannot change and get rid of such attitudes.

      • You’re racist and chauvinistic to the core.

        • Ellese,

          Then explain your stand on

          Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

          You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

          • Dear racist bigot wave,

            For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

            Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

            I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

            So be warn.

      • JW,

        Is this meant for me?

        Apologies but I don’t quite get your post.

  6. Sabahan18 wrote and sounded with so much authority that I find it difficult to remain unconvinced on the points brought up by him.

    Anyway his quip about the Mandarin as taught to and spoken by Malaysians reminds me of something similar about the French taught and spoken in Quebec, Canada. The people in Quebec are so proudly emotional about their “mother tongue” that they insist Canada to be bi-lingual (English & French) but they are also artistic and produce lots of French-speaking movies. It’s so heart-breaking for them when they watch their own movies shown in France having French Sub-titles!!! The French people in France just can’t understand the French spoken in Quebec, Canada.

    • i think that is pretty normal, without subtitle, i can understand less than 50% of china movie n 80% of taiwan movie, however i can understand hk movie perfectly even without subtitle.

      • The only reason why I brought it up was because Dong Zong and their supporters always use ‘mother tongue education’ as the main reason for the continuance of vernacular schools.

        My point is, if the reason is Mandarin, then parents should know that the level of mandarin taught is not up to par with that of the mother land.

  7. Ellese is a Class One HYPOCRITE!

    Demanding people to be fair and balance, dia sendiri pun satu macam.

    Ellese has no guts taking about his own backyard, ie. Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA.

    Tolong lah… Jaga kain awak sendiri, hypocrite Ellese!

    Sibuk dengan kain orang kenapa?

    • Kahkahkah. Condemn racism and defenders of racism first. Go bertaubat regretting your past racists statements and actions and profess you will not do it.

      I’m not entertaining racist and defenders of racism.

      If you show remorse I will consider answering.

  8. Ellese the cock talker.

    Nobody is asking you to entertain racist like Ibrahim Ali and Zulkifli Noordin. I need not to be entertained too. Since you gate crash other people’s blog repeating on unrelated issue. Here at your blog, we ask you to make your stand on.

    Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

    You are free to write a thousand words on it. Whether Ibrahim Ali is remorse or Zulkifli Noordin hendak bertaubat, only you will considering making your stand. By the way, why start this post when Ibrahim Ali and Zulkifli Noordin have not given you the green light for you to do so.

    Such convenience, Ellese the Hypocrite!

    • Such hypocrite. How many times you’re caught practicing selective racism. Why don’t you chastise the Chinese racism. You racist biggot

      • Ellese,

        Than explain your stand on

        Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

        You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

        • Dear racist bigot wave,

          For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

          Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

          I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

          So be warn.

  9. Vernacular schools (by which I mean a school funded by the government that teaches in a different language to the primary language of instruction in other schools) exist in:

    * China (primary language Mandarin) – Miao, Hui and even Tibetan
    * New Zealand (English) – Maori
    * South Africa (Zulu) – Afrikaans, Xhosa, English
    * the UK (English) – French, Spanish, Mandarin, Welsh, Irish Gaelic
    * Spain (Spanish) – Catalan, Basque
    * Canada (English) – French, Mandarin
    * Pakistan (Hindi) – Pushtun, Punjabi
    * Peru (Spanish) – Quechua
    * Ukraine (Ukrainian) – Russian
    * Estonia (Estonian) – Russian
    * Denmark (Danish) – Swedish

    That’s a list which I didn’t need to think about to compile. There are many more. Not all these countries are in harmony with their language minorities, but enough are such that I think arguments over language medium in schools tend to be smoke and mirrors. There is no problem with the principle. Problems arise in the implementation.

    • You’re sick to the core in trying to justify of not putting Malaysian first. A number of your illustrations show secessionist tendencies. The British want to separate us by race even in the same location. And you are justifying racism. Why can’t you put Malaysian first and we work from there? Then condemn people of not putting Malaysian first?

      • Ellese,

        Than explain your stand on

        Sekolah Agama and Kolej MARA

        You RACIST BIGGOT HYPOCRITE!

        • Dear racist bigot wave,

          For years you’ve tried unsuccessfully to put me down. You know you cannot get anything from me since I’ve caught you many many times with hypocritical stands.

          Same here. I’m not going to write since you’ve taken a racist stand. I have said many times ill write once you repent and condemn racism. No more selective racism.

          I don’t see any point at all in your comments except a bigotted attack on me. If you persist on this, I will consider your writing as wholly idiotic without any more point to prove. Its a matter of time ill consign you with the rest of idiots in the previous post. Don’t worry. Ill still publish your comments. But its together with your own flock.

          So be warn.

    • JW,

      Again, this is really a flawed argument.

      You equated countries whose composition of its populace is not like Malaysia. If I may be upfront. this argument is relatively amateurish.

      Let me explain why.

      In those countries, the vernacular language purportedly taught you mentioned belong to people who make up of the populace from its original form. The Maoris were there before a country came to be New Zealand. Same with the Tibets in China.

      In Pakistan – oh, btw, the national language is Urdu, not Hindi – the pushtuns are inhabitants of the NWPF, a whole province up in the north. Punjab is a huge state where Lahore is the capital and where the current PM is from.

      I’m not even gonna talk about Spain and the catalans. They fought freaking wars!

      In all the countries you mentioned – save for South Africa – the languages belong to peoples who have been there way before a country was born, mostly by being conquered or annexed.

      In South Africa, where the immigrant whites ruled the nation, hence the Afrikaans language. FYI, this is the model of the Christian Talibans in DAP; where, with proper strategy, the minority would overrule the majority.

      DAP is ruled by the Talibans, even though majority of the members are Buddhists.

      Anyways, one thing you failed to mention is that in all these countries, the national syllabus is the same across the board.

      And more importantly, they all speak the national language. And even the Chinese in these countries have assimilated and have mastered the national language. Can you say the same for Malaysian Chinese?

      Bottomline, to me, I don’t really care about the existence of vernacular schools so long as it is premised on good faith. And too, i don’t care which schools you go to but you must be proficient – not the ‘Ini kali lah’ type of proficiency – with the national language,

      • S18,

        Your last paragraph ‘adalah satu rumusan yang sangat tepat’. It is good faith first, then national language, and then other languages.

      • hmmm….i can agree with s18 contention wrt some state n native but in some case or all cases, it depend on when history start, and what sort of unity we want. but i dont wish to debate on this topic yet.

        it is not that easy to become proficient in malay unless we give up english as commercial language, and replace foreign investment with domestic industrialisation otherwise most of us would remain the ini kali lah n ubah type.

        • HY,

          I don’t quite buy that.

          Malay is one of the easiest language to master. More importantly, it is the national language of Malaysia.

          The issue here is assimilation. As I previously wrote, the Chinese all over the world have assimilated themselves in their domiciled countries.

          I have Chinese friends from Europe – Germany, France, Norway, Denmark – and they all speak the national languages of those respected countries. Why can’t those in Malaysia do the same?

          Is it because they have never looked at the Malays the same way as they look at the gwailos?

          Again, the bottom line is that any Malaysian should speak their national language, more so when you support DAP’s ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ position.

          • Have you asked, say, your Chinese friend who speaks German to critique Goethe’s Faust? Or can he just carry out day to day business in German? In fact, most Germans haven’t read Faust, so maybe it’s an unfair comparison. No more unfair than what you are asking Chinese in Malaysia to do though.

            To my knowledge the vast majority of the Chinese community in Norway can barely speak Norwegian. Although, since most Norwegians can barely speak Norwegian this actually doesn’t matter.

          • Why are you not using JW Tan? Please only use one name.

      • i dun see how minority could rule the majority in a democracy, both the minority mongolian n manchu rule china (han chinese) with cavalry, the white using gun n boat, mao zedong “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” is much closer to reality, and everyone in pr push for more democratic n peoples right.

        btw anwar, pkr, pas n dap is politician n political party, only a pseudo intellectual like that din mericam use term political angel to describe politician, as the chinese says lead the life of a whore and expect a monument to one’s chastity? i think is not fair to accuse them for wanting power, unless they do it not in our general boundary or definition of democracy, which i agree there is no universal acceptence rule yet and subject to debate.

        • HY,

          While generally I agree that minority won’t be able to rule the majority, history and even the current DAP ledership composition would argue the contrary.

          There are a number of ways on how a minority could control the majority.

          Economy is one such way. The Jews control the world’s economy, and they are but mere fractions of the global populace.

          Foreign Power Interference is another way. When super powers want to intervene, they could put it a govt that belongs to the minority.

          Syria and Iraq are/was are another classic examples. Salam was a Sunni who ruled Shia-majority Iraq for years. It’s the opposite in Sunni-majority Syria where, in the last 40 or so years, they were ruled by a faction of the Shia sect.

          Let’s not even go to South Africa. How about pacific islands like PNG? The minority are governing the country.

          So you see bro, that thinking is really flawed in the grand scheme of things.

          Lets bring it home, and talk about the DAP. The overwhelming majority within the party are Buddhists and yet, it’s the tiny Christian evangelists fraction that is ruling the party.

          Please have an open mind and really look at the party. Without emotional and mental blindness, you’ll will agree that the current and future leadership will be dominated by the minority.

          Thanks

        • “i dun see how minority could rule the majority in a democracy”

          Let me try to show it to you bro… In the GE13 the majority of Malaysians did not vote for BN but yet BN rules the country.

          Like you I thought democracy is majority rule. ACTUALLY, there is a bigger problem than racism.

        • “In the end, I got tired of it, really. They are all the same and while my heart is still with Pakatan, my brain has become impartial.” [S18 June 21, 2013 at 7:51 pm]

          It is perfectly alright for your brain to be impartial. But if you got tired of it, it means that you lost. No?

          • Hasan,

            What’s there to lose?

            In all honesty, whoever forms the govt won’t make a difference to my and my family’s life.

            I subscribe to Pakatan’s philosophy, and I still do despite knowing that they all have their own agendas.

            Yes, they say the things people want to hear, but could they actually do it when they govern?

            I know enough to say that, when they win, the country will be just the same. Maybe the ministers wouldn’t show their wealth arrogantly but they would still be multi-millionaires.

            I’ll give you Selangor as an example. Getting TS Khalid as the MB is the best course as he’s already rich but do you know how wealthy the Exco’s are now? Of course you don’t see it because they know how to go about it.

            With BN, you get a 60-40 split; 60 goes to the pockets, 40 is used to actually do the task.

            With PR, it’s around 15/85 right now. They do spend more on the actual project.

            But here’s the deal though, it started with 5/95, then from 2011 onwards, it became 10/90. Now, it’s 15/85.

            So yeah, both are corrupt but there’s a huge difference in the slice. But are we the type to say it’s ok because it’s not as bad as BN?

            If so, then please remember this; during Tunku and Tun Razak’s time, it was also around the 10/90 slice?

            Honestly, I didn’t lose anything, nor will I lose anything in the future. My fate and that of my family is not tied to Malaysian politics.

            Actually, on the contrary, I actually gained a few. Because of what we did, Malaysians are now braver to say the things they want to say.

            If only what they say is of essence and significance. But that’s a different topic for another day.

            Salaam.

          • If we are running a marathon and we get tired we lose. Fighting corruption and racism and irregularities/inequalities is akin to running an endless marathon. We keep on running/fighting irregardless how tired we are… like HY and Ellese… 🙂

          • hi both, how 60% go to the pocket the same with 10-15%? the 2 party system create a balance, i dun think most of us here have the naive thought that pr is about heaven, s18 is perhaps dun engage in corruption simply because u r affluent enough, what if u r like my pkr pal who tole me he shd have drive a mercedes being a cabang pemuda head? i dun know his point is whether the umno branch youth head r corrupt or his objective in pkr is to drive a mercedes. my intention is to see both drive a decent preve as reflected in their income, or a honda accord if we get rid of the protection on our national car, n hasan is right, that’s a marathon n our long term vision. my advice is just take some viagra n we move on 🙂

            ps/ lately i am pretty occupied, will try to state some of my view pertaining to vs and bm in the new thread, language is always an exciting subject, since ellese never get tired of it, why shd i? wakaka

            ps2/ can we do less on this tit for tat thingy? i am worry we all evolve into that monsterball, btw i dun read anything from him in the blogsphere anymore, what happen to him? hope he do fine.

          • HY… monsterball sometime appears in Sakmongkol and also LKS blogs. I think Wave should be in a better position to tell us about monsterball. 🙂 By the way I do not know what is Hsu’s problem… He did not publish my comment anymore. May be I am not one of his… 😀

      • Yes, Pakistan’s national language is Urdu. That’s about the only error in my list.

        My argument is that Malaysia is not at all special. There is nothing wrong with teaching in different languages, or different core curricula. History does not matter. What matters is that people accept that students in the same country may choose to learn different languages for different reasons, and this does not necessarily have a bearing on national unity.

        You think all South Africans are literate in 5 languages? It’s a rare one that even knows three. You think a Russian-speaking Estonian generally knows Estonian? Most don’t. You think schools in the UK teach common curricula? Of course they don’t.

        Turning back to Malaysia, you think we don’t have areas with large Chinese or Indian populations, like Pakistan and its provinces? You think that Chinese and Indian people haven’t been in Malaysia for centuries, longer than, say, Swedes in Denmark, Koreans in Japan or Russians in Lithuania?

        These countries try to look through these problems to make the nation work. Malaysians should do the same. It’s not impossible. We’re not special, or unusual in any way. Save perhaps that we never bother to look outside Malaysia for solutions. It’s a peculiar type of arrogance we have – very parochial.

        • Why are you not using JW Tan? Please only use one name.

        • If we put the case the other way round, we might see it is not racial bigotry or dumbfounding arrogance but it just to preserving the national heritage and/or Malay heritage. Thus, it may be peculiarly parochial… as I see it.

        • JW,

          If you’re one of the so-called RBA, I’ll engage you differently.

          Anyways, to your post.

          History is very important. For you to say it isn’t is mainly because it doesn’t favor your argument.

          Before I proceed, let me again say that, personally, I don’t give two hoots about vernacubengs. I have nothing against vernacular schools, save for the fact the products of such schools are not proficient in the NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

          That is my bone of contention. Your kind shout ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ the loudest and yet, you don’t give a fuck about a fundamental necessity to be a Malaysian.

          You went around the world to hide your inability to reply to the my replies.

          In all the countries you mentioned, you are trying to run away from the fact – and the truth – that those people who learned their mother tongues are those who have been there before they were annexed into the new country.

          You also ran away from the fact that it’s only in Malaysia where the Chinese didn’t assimilate.

          You tried to negate it by showing you know Goethe – btw, my friend actually dissected Faust aa his thesis, so yeah, at least he knows – without addressing the issues at hand.

          All of my foreign Chinese friends are proficient in their adopted countries’ national language. Their parents might not be but it’s only because they went there as immigrants as adults. But the children, those who were born there and/or studied there, are all proficient.

          Taking your Goethe analogy, I don’t expect the vernacubengs to be able to deliver a speech at the UN GA in bahasa, no. But I do expect them to be able to speak with proper grammar and not, as I mentioned, “Ini kali lah” type of grammar.

          Don’t get me wrong; as an ad man, that is very good way of coming up with a tagline – short, precise, conveys the message and easily understand.

          But to have that kind of proficiency in the NATIONAL LANGUAGE is seriously a pathetic excuse to be called a Malaysian.

          I don’t wanna tango anymore as, based on your replies, you’re prettyi much skirting around the issue. You, like the many blind DAP peeps I know, won’t allow yourself to admit that DAP is a party championing not just a Chinese cause, but also a discreet and subtle desire to grab the political power in this country.

          I honestly don’t care if the PM of Malaysia is a Chinese but I want a Chinese who is truly a total Malaysian at heart, not a hypocrite.

          And sadly, no one Chinese in the current political atmosphere is THAT person.

          PS

          and stop using different nicks, you end up looking like a RBA.

          • Ini bukan mahu bodek – but I’ve always found Sabahan18’s postings damned interesting to read, though I may not always have 100% agreement with it.

            What is Singapore’s constitutional National Language? Is it not Malay? In case it is so, are all Singaporeans (mainly Chinese) proficient in that language?

            Secondly I quote this, “I honestly don’t care if the PM of Malaysia is a Chinese but I want a Chinese who is truly a total Malaysian at heart, not a hypocrite.

            And sadly, no one Chinese in the current political atmosphere is THAT person.” But there are currently many ethnic Chinese Malaysians who are in fact Constitutional Malays (ethincally race-neutral) like Hussein Yee, Redzuan Tee Abdullah and others who are undoubtedly “total Malaysian at heart, not a hypocrite” but they are not in the top strata of “…current political atmosphere…” of Malaysia right now.

        • JW,

          Just to add one more thing.

          Yes, there are places where the overwhelming majority are Chinese but to compare it to places like NWFP, Estonia, NZ, et al is just, again and with due apologies, very budak sekolah-ish.

          That kind of arguments is what OKM calls a “SYA level type of thinking.

          And he’s right. You know, you could get away with your replies with lots of people, but when you get peeps like me – a Pakatan supporter who’s able to digest the BS you’re spinning, I’m afraid it won’t work.

          Lets not go away from the main issues in our replies. Trust me, I don’t want to own – urban slang – you but should you continue to reply with such amateurish and RBAish replies, I would, totally.

        • JW or whatever nick you’re using.

          My Sabahan people have been in this country way before your temples and people are, and yet, we don’t shout Malaysian Malaysia and demand our own schools.

          In Sabah, way before LKY came up with that slogan, we were already practicing it. We we/are Sabahans first before our own tribes.

          We all speak our own mother tongues and yet, we also speak the national language, eventhough that said language is not recognized as our national language.

          And no, we don’t speak vernacubeng grammar; we may speak with a different accent, but our grammars are correct.

          PS

          Have you actually been to
          Norway? Or you just know Norwegian Chinese?

          The Chinese who went through the schools there are all proficient.

          Stop thinking – and befriending only – immigrant Chinese; it’s not a fair comparison.

          I don’t expect your ancestors – those who first came here – to be proficient, but I do expect those who were born here and those who studied here, to be.

          Unfortunately, those who are vernacubengs are not.

          🙂

  10. Ellese,

    In principle, I agree with you that we should look at the issues, not the people.

    If you want to expound on the blindness of the supporters from both sides, please do.

    A wrong is a wrong, irrespective of who’s committing it. Unfortunately, the politics we have now doesn’t look at it that way.

  11. JW/Red Hare,

    Regarding my son’s Spanish, you are yet again trying to spin. Using your google-searched on the Spanish language doesn’t answer the propositions I posed.

    Like seriously dude, your style won’t fly with educated Bumis who are still capable of thinking.

    Your reply is merely mentioning the different accents and localizations of the Spanish language.

    It’s like the Arabic language. Each Arab country have their own ways but they all speak ‘fus-ha’ because that’s is what is thought in their schools.

    “Kaifal halik/i/luka” is the same with “shinihalik’ but when you go to any Arab country and utter the first one, everyone will understand, because it is the, for the lack of a better word, the Classical Arabic.

    Based on your replies, let me try to profile you: you’re tertiary educated, with a good job, late 20’s to mid 30’s, a born again, a believer that political power should be based on capability and not by race, a DAP supporter more than a PR one, and a good Googler 🙂

    Guess what, I know a lot of people like you. You’re what Helen Ang calls a Jetusubang. Your knowledge of the party you support is superficial; for you to claim most DAP supporters you know speak good Malay just goes to show you have not gone beyond the urban areas to meet with the DAP grassroots.

    The next you reply, I implore you not to spin because as I said, there are people who could read through your shallow but disguised thoughts.

    Peace.

    • 7 months on from this conversation, it’s clear that there’s little point in replying. I’ll do so anyway, if only because I find the profiling amusing.

      Sabahan, about the only thing you got right is the age group. So please, take your fake psychology away – it’s embarassing. I don’t make assumptions about you, do me the same courtesy. If you wish to make an assumption, then please make this – few, if any who post on this blog are a katak di bawah tempurung. You posted a little snapshot of your life somewhere – I beat it in terms of internationalism and life experience, easily. In fact, I’m not even convinced some of what you say you have done is true.

      But that doesn’t matter. I grew bored of the discussion because it was heading down the same old roads and I was beginning to repeat myself. Looking across what people have posted since, I see that there was nothing new of substance.

  12. HY,

    Re: 60/40 and 15/85

    Of course they’re not the same but BN also started with 10/90 and it eventually led to the 60:40 that it is now.

    Also, from 5/95 when they first started to govern, they are now at 15/85. It is going the wrong direction.

    Of all the PR states, only Kelantan maintain the 10/90 slice since 1990. Penang is the worst in terms of slice – in 2008, it was 0/100, 2009 – 10/90, 2010 – 20:80, 2011 – 25/75, 2012 – 30/70.

    But DAP is smart. They made sure that in the first year, they shouted their CAT with no corruption from the govt. from the 2nd year onwards, they don’t publish financial details anymore but because the first year was brilliant, that’s what people remember and take to heart.

    I’ve always said this, of the 3, DAP have the best strategies.

    Oh, I do love your Honda/preve post. It would be great if it’s implemented but we all know it won’t.

  13. Hasan,

    Re: Singapore and Malay being the national language.

    It’s true but I’m sure you know the reason why. This is just another reason why I think PAP/DAP strategists are a shoulder above. They made sure that a part of ‘Malaya’ was maintained even after leaving the Federation. It’s a strategic move, brilliant if I may say so.

    But that’s a national language by name, in order to disguise the true nature of their intent. It was also to be seen as neutral and multi-racial. After all, the father of ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ is the same with Singapore no?

    It’s like in Sabah; our official language is English but how many Sabahans could speak that language?

    Feel me?

    As for the Reduan Tees of Malaysia, they’re not really Chinese anymore. They Muslims first above everything.

    What I meant was a Chinese who is truly Malaysian, like the Chinese in Indonesia or Philippines or Thailand.

    Seriously, the Chinese politicians I like are the old DAP guards. I used to admire LKS but lately, he’s been heavily influenced by his son and the Christian Talibans in the party. Man, he used to be ‘Mr Opposition’ and his main agenda was to expose the wrongdoings of the govt. Now, he’s more interested in politicizing than anything else.

    A lot of PR supporters think LGE is superb. Honestly, he’s one of the dumbest. Lucky for him, he’s got good peeps around him.

    I’m more of an Usain Bolt than a Mo Farrah, bro. I want change like most of us but unless and until our politics mature, it’s gonna be a never ending marathon.

    And one that I don’t want to be a part of. At my age, I would like to spend time with my kids and see them grow up as true Malaysians without a shred of bias in their outlook.

    After all, they have a Bumi father and Chinese mother. They have relatives from almost every race in Malaysia.

    And this is the reason why I don’t want any part in the current marathon. The participants are all racist in some form or another.

    Maybe if there are many parents like my wife and I, then the future generation would truly be able to live the ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ life, without the hidden agendas that are plaguing the country right now.

    Will it happen? Wallahu alam. But I’m pretty certain that it won’t happen in this generation.

    • Dear S18,

      I think the first part of your comment is meant for Hussin. But I would like to contribute a bit. LKS and LKY came from the same kampung. Thus, there are similarities between DAP and PAP.

      Now for my part:

      You said… “Maybe if there are many parents like my wife and I, then the future generation would truly be able to live the ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ life, without the hidden agendas that are plaguing the country right now”.

      Nicholas was once our neighbour. When his parents went to work we took care of Nicholas since he was 4 months. It went on until Nicholas went to school, a vernacular school. Nicholas called us Umi and Abah and our children kakak and abang.

      Just two weeks ago we had invited Nicholas and his parents for dinner and next Sunday night, they are hosting a dinner for us and family. Between us there are no prejudices, racism, bigotry and/or any hidden agenda. We even went on holidays together.

      Me and my spouse and Nicholas parents have done our part to make it happen. Now is for Nicholas and my children generation to take the baton from us and continue running the marathon… as you rightly put it ‘a never ending marathon’ indeed. And as HY said.. we move on.

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